11 months old wake up every 2 hours to nurse

  • Sunday, March 11, 2012 8:19 AM
    Message # 855244
    Hi,
    i'm going to trough a difficult time with my daughters sleep.
    she was sleeping 5-7 hours strait when she was 3-6 months old and now keeps waking up every 1-3 hours at night!
    "cry ir out" or any other "sleep training" are not for consideration so i thank if this doesn't turn into a discussion "sleep training vs not sleeping training".
    i just want to hear from moms that have or had similar situations. how long did it last and what helped?
    i think one of the reasons for this behavior is that she doesn't eat as good during the day so she needs to nurse often at night (i can feel she gets so much more milk at night and she last longer at the breast.
    she is in a stage where she need to have play time and contact with other kids at least every other day or she get so fuzzy. then when she is out or in company, she cant nurse because she is too busy playing, she hates the breastfeeding cover which she used to love, and she doesn't eat solids as good (not mentioning that she is extremely picky eater and i have to guess what she wants all the time, example: she would eat "ONLY" chicken and zucchini for 1 week and then she would hate it and i have to figure out what she wants next).
    i don't expect to sleep trough the night but at least give me a 5-7 hours deserved sleep as i'm getting exhausted and losing my patience.
     
  • Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:36 PM
    Reply # 855409 on 855244

    Hi Carolina,

    you might already know that I also had similar stages with my son, when he was waking every 1-2 hours at night, during the first 4 months. The only thing that helped out of all the things we tried is 'sleep training' at 4 months (using the 'cry it out method', but with a very specific plan that did still allow for comfort/nursing, but making sure that the baby is still put back down to sleep fairly awake), eventhough still he didn't start sleeping right through the night then, but it at least doubled his sleep periods. 'Exhausting' is too mild of a word to describe how we felt then, but more importantly we were extremely concerned for how poor of a sleep he was getting, if he's waking up every hour or two, when instead they need longer consolidated sleeps. (Now he's almost 17 monts old and sleeping very well, both at night and during the nap in the day, and has been for many months now actually, showing continuous improvement since the sleep training).

    I know you don't want to consider 'sleep training', but if you're wondering about the 'cause' of this frequent waking, then my opinion (and also shared by many doctors and pediatricians) is that at this age, the baby is waking out of 'habit' (i.e. she's become used to the breast and wants it repeatedly for comfort and help to fall back asleep, rather than doing it herself), and not necessarily nutrition (i.e. she's not really hungry, that frequently). My son is also not a great eater, picky too, some days he'll hardly eat anything substantial during the day, but still he will sleep for 9-10 hours straight, and then just one breast-feeding in early morning, and he will go back to sleep again for another 1-2 hours.

    I've also talked to some other parents who experienced similar situations and didn't want to sleep train their babies; the 'lucky' ones said their babies eventually started sleeping through the night around 18 months to even 2 years... others still have 4-year-olds with waking problems in the night.

    Good luck with whatever you decide. If you are curious about the plan I used, you can message/email me.

    Tatiana

    Last modified: Sunday, March 11, 2012 2:49 PM | Tatiana
  • Sunday, March 11, 2012 4:44 PM
    Reply # 855463 on 855244

    Hi Carolina,

    It seems that you may already have a handle on why she keeps waking up (not getting enough to eat during the day). Even when you do go out or on playdates, it may be a good idea to separate yourself from the group and try feeding her. Being among the noise and the kids might make her eager to go back to playing and not wanting to eat, but sometimes you need to step into another room or area if need be and make her eat; you are her mother and you know best.

    Also, it might help you to know that your situation is pretty common. It happened to me as well. For a while they were sleeping 4-5 hours then for about a month or so it was up every 2-3 hours to feed. It went back to 4-5 hours again but now we're back to 3-4 hours. So many things may play a role; sometimes if they learn a new milestone (i.e. crawling, walking, socializing with other babies, etc.) may get them to keep waking up. Hang in there because it's usually a phase that comes and goes. What got me through is taking naps during the day when I could, even if there were dishes and laundry (I'm a very clean, organized person so it was not easy leaving things but it was either a clean house or my sanity and I opted for the latter :). Try taking it easy. Nap when your daughter naps, get a relative to come over to play with her for an hour or two so that you can get some sleep. You need to stay rested and healthy for yourself and your daughter. Remember to prioritize yourself and not worry about everybody else.

    Good luck and let me know if you have any questions.

  • Monday, March 12, 2012 8:32 AM
    Reply # 856102 on 855244
    Thank you for your answers and support :)
    At Tatiana, i think every kid and family is different and maybe the sleep training worked for you but not for me. I appreciate your answer and i know all you want is to help :) (BTW... i want to see you again! let me know when you want to go for a walk or something now that the weather is getting nicer).
    At Sarah is curious that you mention the milestones... she did have a similar stage when trying to crawl! very fuzzy, and didnt want to sleep because she needed it to practice. i hear some babies just crawl or walk but my daughter takes long time to perfect the skills for instance she started getting up on her own and walking around pushing the furniture since 7 months but she is today 11 months and she is still not walking 100%... like she walks a few steps, then she crawls, then she walks and then fall and i know that bothers her.
    i hope once she manage to walk on her own she gets back to sleep as she used to do!
  • Monday, March 12, 2012 12:47 PM
    Reply # 856268 on 855244

    Sure, each family is different in circumstance and philosophy. I forgot to mention a really good book on baby sleep: 'Healthy Sleep Habits, Happy Child' by Dr. Marc Weissbluth, who is a famous pediatrician and 'expert on sleep' (as well as a father of 4 kids himself, I believe). It's a good reference source on understanding how sleep works in babies/children; it is based on emperical research of sleep patterns in babies, and even up to older children too. He also offers different suggestions/solutions for improving baby sleep, including alternatives to the 'cry it out' method. You can buy it for $10-15 online, or maybe even borrow for free from the library. Very worth-while investment.

    Yes weather is going to be extremely warm this week. I'll email you about arranging a time for walk in our neighbourhood, sometime in the afternoon during the week, if that works for you.

    Last modified: Monday, March 12, 2012 12:51 PM | Tatiana
  • Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:38 AM
    Reply # 857492 on 855244

    Hello!

    I can imagine your frustration and desire for your baby to sleep through the night and therefore get the rest that you both need.

    I don't have a personal experience with this as my son has been sleeping through the night from 6 months after a very modified sleep training to take away the 4am feeding.

    However, I have a friend in a similar situation and she did not want to sleep train her 13 month old daughter. I would suggest speaking to your doctor.  My friend was also convinced that waking was the result of not eating enough during the day and when she talked to her doctor, her doctor said that it doesn't matter and the she should not be feeding her at night anymore.  That it was a bad habit that needs to be stopped.  So, she took her advice and that night when she woke up she rocked her a little, etc.  She has gone almost 2 weeks without milk at night, which is amazing because she was drinking between 8-12oz every night.  Now that her daughter has gotten used to no milk she is going to try and not pick her up when she wakes, just soothe her to sleep.  Oh, and the best part is that she is not even waking in the night most nights now!  Her daughter also seemed to take to the change, it was almost like she was ready for the habit to be broken and get a better nights sleep.  Maybe she was just drinking at night because it was being offered????

    Sleep is very important for our little ones and I too have heard that babies often wake out of habit not necessity.  I hope that your doctor can provide some insight and ease your fear that your baby is hungry at night.

    Good luck, keep us posted:) 

  • Monday, March 19, 2012 10:26 PM
    Reply # 863573 on 855244
    Dar
    I feel for you Carolina. My little girl was up every hour for a couple of weeks a month ago. I was so exhausted that I wasn't able to properly care for my toddler son and my husband. I was in tears every day and night. My baby girl was crying and screaming so much that 'cry it out' didn't work at all. And out of exhaustion I let her nurse to fall back to sleep. But she would wake up again screaming after an hour. I increased her solids intake during the day but no luck. She was starting to stand and pull herself up and teething as well. So I thought perhaps those were the reasons that she was waking up.

    I was almost out of my mind because of the lack of sleep until I look at what has changed during her sleep routine. The only thing I did was to put her into Pajama tops and pants instead of her old 1 piece sleepers. So I decided to put her back into the sleepers because I was running out of ideas. Guess what? The first night I put her back into her old sleepers she slept through the night again. And she had been sleeping through the night since. I guess she hated having the feeling of the waistband while she was sleeping.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that even such a tiny change in a baby's sleep routine can have such a profound effect. If you have tried everything else already, perhaps you can have a look and see if there had been little changes that might not be a big deal to you but could have caused her to wake up frequently.

    Good luck!
  • Tuesday, March 20, 2012 7:45 AM
    Reply # 863907 on 863573
    Darmeen wrote:I feel for you Carolina. My little girl was up every hour for a couple of weeks a month ago. I was so exhausted that I wasn't able to properly care for my toddler son and my husband. I was in tears every day and night. My baby girl was crying and screaming so much that 'cry it out' didn't work at all. And out of exhaustion I let her nurse to fall back to sleep. But she would wake up again screaming after an hour. I increased her solids intake during the day but no luck. She was starting to stand and pull herself up and teething as well. So I thought perhaps those were the reasons that she was waking up.

    I was almost out of my mind because of the lack of sleep until I look at what has changed during her sleep routine. The only thing I did was to put her into Pajama tops and pants instead of her old 1 piece sleepers. So I decided to put her back into the sleepers because I was running out of ideas. Guess what? The first night I put her back into her old sleepers she slept through the night again. And she had been sleeping through the night since. I guess she hated having the feeling of the waistband while she was sleeping.

    I guess what I'm trying to say is that even such a tiny change in a baby's sleep routine can have such a profound effect. If you have tried everything else already, perhaps you can have a look and see if there had been little changes that might not be a big deal to you but could have caused her to wake up frequently.

    Good luck!
    Hi Darmeen,
    Thank you for your answer. i have to start by telling you that Malu is doing better! well... she doesn't sleep 11 hours straight but at least isn't waking up more than 2 or 3 times from 8 to 8 which is ok with me.
    she is also on the process of walking and even dough she can do it, she cant go as fast as she wants and she lost balance all the time and that bothers her, she was getting the two BIG upper central incisors which took her a while to cut through so i guess she was in a lot of pain plus my attitude towards her wasn't very friendly as i was exhausted and out of  patience some times (since she wasn't sleeping good at night or even during the day, she was very fuzzy).


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